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Poster: bearcor Date: Jan 29, 2010 3:12pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Ozzie and Nelson Derivates and some general info

I don't have the specific information on this title but I would like to point out some information that I have gleaned from many posts in this forum as to claims of copyright:

1. once it is PD it never goes back into copyright unless it is restored/altered/improved in some substantial way.

2. people (usually relatives of some original copyright holder) often make claims of copyright especially online.

3. sometimes distributors of film prints make false claims of copyright, like Stellar Films Associates, who even redo the opening credits of all their film and tv pd titles claiming production copyright. Their Studio One prints and almost all the pd titles shown on My Family TV show these false claims.

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Poster: skybandit Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:39pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Ozzie and Nelson Derivates and some general info

Actually, changing the title sequence DOES create a new product under the law, and the copyright Stellar Films claims is valid. You could, however, trim off the title sequence and make one of your own for the exact same episode and claim it yourself, as everything BUT the new titles is PD!

As for Ozzie and Harriet, owning the most pristine copy of a PD episode is not a valid copyright claim. The Roy Rogers estate sells many films from excellent uncut prints that are better than anything you can get elsewhere, but the films themselves are still PD. I would assume the O & H you're referring to are similar, and probably have some titles or credits change that allow them to claim copyright, just as adding the Roy Rogers Collection logo does for Dusty's business. You can protect yourself from charges of copyfraud by obtaining lower-quality copies of these episodes from other sources than Dave Nelson.

Hope that helps. And, as always, I'm not a lawyer. You can tell because you're not sending me a rather large check.

This post was modified by skybandit on 2010-01-30 06:35:22

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Poster: bearcor Date: Jan 30, 2010 1:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Ozzie and Nelson Derivates and some general info

you state that changing the title sequence makes it non-PD

but Stellar Films never bothers to register the newly title slapped on product, also on their rental prints of Studio One episodes they do not re-title the opening only the closing to wit :"Stellar Films 1997"

So if I upload His Girl Friday with a title card that says "Bearcor Presents__His Girl Friday (with letters the same size as Howard Hawks of course!!) then that is copyright??
that is difficult to believe

to paraphrase Billy Wilder ' Ten hollywood lawyers working overtime do terrible things to the human spirit'

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Poster: skybandit Date: Jan 30, 2010 3:27pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Ozzie and Nelson Derivates and some general info

If they're made recently, they don't have to register them. That title card is just to sue people who are too lazy to edit it out if they reproduce the product for sale, in which case, they deserve it!

"First, we kill all the lawyers..."